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30 March 2007


Frank Gehry’s first major development in Britain is finally set to be built following a knife-edge decision by Brighton & Hove City Council.
The £290 million King Alfred development on Hove’s seafront, which has divided the local community since its inception almost four years ago, was granted planning by the narrowest possible margin at a packed committee meeting on Friday to whoops and cheers from supporters in the public gallery.
“Brighton & Hove came out in force to support the most important project this city has seen since the Royal Pavilion,” a jubilant Josh Arghiros, managing director of developer Karis, said.
The unexpected level of public support for the sports and residential scheme — which opponents claim was orchestrated by Karis — marks a new development in the growing row over the power of local protesters, highlighted in BD (Debate March 9). (...)

Fonte: BDonline
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Ai Gehry Gehry Gehry.... Se fosses portuga eras morto :) ... Cada maluco com a sua mania... Mas vendo as coisas dele temos que dar a mao à palmatória... Lá que tem assinatura tem!!! Gehry é mesmo do Gehry... ;)

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As rupturas formais e pictóricas nunca foram aceites pelas sociedades que as viram nascer:


Kazimir Malevitch
O "Quadro negro sobre fundo branco" constituiu uma ruptura radical com a arte da época.


Expresionismo
Os principais precursores do movimento Expressionista foram Vincent van Gogh e Edvard Munch, tal a dramaticidade de suas obras, a importância (e, em certo sentido, a independência) da cor. Ambas as obras propõem uma ruptura formal e ideológica com a Academia e com o Impressionismo.



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mondrian já não e a primeira vez que estamos em desacordo....como e possivel gostares disto?isto e um conceito puramente comercial de que o gehry usa e abusa. isto e destruir a natureza. como ja disseram aqui, uma coisa e gostar de calatrava, siza, koolhaas ou herzog(todos distintos), outra coisa e gostar desta mais recente "arquitectura" do gehry.

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mondrian já não e a primeira vez que estamos em desacordo....como e possivel gostares disto?isto e um conceito puramente comercial de que o gehry usa e abusa. isto e destruir a natureza. como ja disseram aqui, uma coisa e gostar de calatrava, siza, koolhaas ou herzog(todos distintos), outra coisa e gostar desta mais recente "arquitectura" do gehry.


Atenção a esse tipo de afirmações...
Não se trata de uma questão de gosto...
O trabalho do Gehry é reconhecido internacionalmente e até ganhou o Pritzker, deixo alguns comentários do juri desse prémio:


Citation from the Pritzker Jury

In an artistic climate that too often looks backward rather than toward the future, where retrospectives are more prevalent than risk-taking, it is important to honor the architecture of Frank O. Gehry.

Refreshingly original and totally American, proceeding as it does from his populist Southern California perspective, Gehry's work is a highly refined, sophisticated and adventurous aesthetic that emphasizes the art of architecture.

His sometimes controversial, but always arresting body of work, has been variously described as iconoclastic, rambunctious and impermanent, but the jury, in making this award, commends this restless spirit that has made his buildings a unique expression of contemporary society and its ambivalent values.

Always open to experimentation, he has as well a sureness and maturity that resists, in the same way that Picasso did, being bound either by critical acceptance or his successes. His buildings are juxtaposed collages of spaces and materials that make users appreciative of both the theatre and the back-stage, simultaneously revealed.

Although the prize is for a lifetime of achievement, the jury hopes Mr. Gehry will view it as encouragement for continuing an extraordinary "work in progress, "as well as for his significant contributions thus far to the architecture of the twentieth century.


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Sinceramente a arquitectura dele é única, mas não me convence........pois olhando para trás, para as suas obras, a sua criação é pensada de fora para dentro, o q a torna incompleta na minha opinião! Axo que seria um bom debate! :)

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Vi umas imagens deste projecto ainda em fase de maquete... formalmente funcionava muito melhor nesse suporte do que a concretização final... :/

Não é incrível tudo o que pode caber dentro de um lápis?...

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kandinsky, eu não digo que ele não tenha obras boas, até porque as tem(muito boas por sinal) mas, ultimamente abusa deste conceito que pontualmente pode ser interessante mas como regra é inaceitável. essa imagem que postaste da cave de vinhos, penso eu, é um dos exemplos do que falo... conseguiu destruir uma paisagem verdejante com essa treta das chapas em titânio. desculpa mas por melhor que funcione esta arquitectura não consigo aceitar este conceito puramente formalista que ele aplica sem rei nem roque. ah... para acender o debate que o dna.arq propõem, um dos meus professores disse que ele resolve o programa com angulos e linhas banais e que depois aplica um programa da nasa que distorce tudo e dá este resultado. Não sei se será bem assim nem se esta afirmação do meu professor e viável mas justificava muita coisa...

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um dos meus professores disse que ele resolve o programa com angulos e linhas banais e que depois aplica um programa da nasa que distorce tudo e dá este resultado. Não sei se será bem assim nem se esta afirmação do meu professor e viável mas justificava muita coisa...


Não creio que seja tão linear...
Não sou um defensor do Gehry, mas que tem o seu valor, isso é inquestionável...

Aqui fica mais uma do Gehry:
Barry Diller's InterActiveCorp Headquarters:

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Abraços
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Assisti a uma aula de arq teórica onde a minha opiniao sobre Frank Gehry ficou definida...........e devo sublinhar q sem dúvida a sua arquitectura é ÚNICA, mas...

...devo dizer q a sua arquitectura para além de ser pensada apenas de fora para dentro, tb é enganosa, pois as suas formas exteriores, percorrendo-as pelo interior são meros planos regulares! Outro ponto é, aproveitando as formas exteriores ele polonga os planos para o interior e recria aqueles jogos de planos a q muitos xamam de criativo, mas eu xamo de eficaz apenas!

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regra geral gosto de tudo o que envolva a cor, seja do gehry ao taveira...é algo que me fascina, e continuo a virar a cabeça para admirar uma vez mais o estadio de alvalade LOL (por exemplo) aceito quem nao goste, afinal é algo muito objectivo, onde se gosta ou nao...nao ha "mais ou menos" todos os arquitectos sofrem evoluções e para mim esta fase mais desconstrutivista do gehry está a ser apurada cada vez mais. mas, tal como o |Kandinsky| referiu, a diferença sempre fizeram parte da evolução das artes e uma coisa é certa, ninguem fica indiferente, mesmo que nao goste, existe a necessidade de se falar disso :)

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mondrian provavelmente nunca nenhum arquitecto vai agradar a gregos e a troianos mas, na minha opnião, a arquitectura tem que agradar ao maior numero de pessoas possível porque, salvo raras excepções, está à vista de todos. E não se prende só com isto, a arquitectura deve ser mais do que uma simples intervenção colorista ou conceptual que serve para "dar vida" à cidade como já ouvi por aí...arquitectura, em qualquer lugar do mundo, tem que nos fazer sentir bem, tem que provocar boas sensações. E, numa opinião mais pessoal, não pode ferir os olhos.

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ah... para acender o debate que o dna.arq propõem, um dos meus professores disse que ele resolve o programa com angulos e linhas banais e que depois aplica um programa da nasa que distorce tudo e dá este resultado. Não sei se será bem assim nem se esta afirmação do meu professor e viável mas justificava muita coisa...


Há uns anos vi um video sobre o trabalho do Ghery e não me pareceu que o seu sistema seja esse.
O que vi, sobre o museu Guggenheim de Bilbau, era um profundo trabalho formal em maquete, que depois de definido, é digitalizado em 3D através de uma máquina a laser, que media a posição (coordenadas) dos vários pontos. A informação é transferida para o computador e apareciam os pontos num ambiente 3D. Depois é trabalho de computador...

Contudo creio que ao desenvolver a forma em maquete, o arquitecto já pensa no interior e em como o edifício vai "funcionar" a todos os níveis, mas isso é especulação minha...

Não é incrível tudo o que pode caber dentro de um lápis?...

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mondrian provavelmente nunca nenhum arquitecto vai agradar a gregos e a troianos mas, na minha opnião, a arquitectura tem que agradar ao maior numero de pessoas possível porque, salvo raras excepções, está à vista de todos. E não se prende só com isto, a arquitectura deve ser mais do que uma simples intervenção colorista ou conceptual que serve para "dar vida" à cidade como já ouvi por aí...arquitectura, em qualquer lugar do mundo, tem que nos fazer sentir bem, tem que provocar boas sensações. E, numa opinião mais pessoal, não pode ferir os olhos.



DiogoLopes, concordo com o que dizes. é papel primordial da arquitectura, fazer sentir bem as pessoas que utilizam o seu espaço. o problema é que neste caso, estamos a falar sobre o aspecto exterior de uma obra (eu plo menos nao conheço o seu interior) e quando se fala unicamente do exterior, em primeiro lugar, debate-se o seu papel na cidade, deixando para 2º plano o seu papel directamente relacionado com as pessoas. plo menos é essa a minha opiniao. tem tudo haver com uma questao de escalas.. as relações que se possam ter e as concepções que dai se possa retirar.

assim, em termos exteriores, é importante a relaçao que se tem com a cidade, a importancia do lugar, etc..
gehry, tal como o calatrava, cada vez mais se "esquece" do lugar, impondo a sua vontade..mas nao pode ser essa tambem uma caracteristica de um arquitecto (neste caso 2) genial?
assim como o impressionismo tem certas caracteristicas, o desconstrutivismo outras, o dadaismo outras, etc..sao essas mesmas caracteristicas que tornam um trabalho ou um arquitecto, intemporais.

faz-me lembrar aquela celebre frase: "falem mal de mim, falem bem de mim...mas falem..":)

nao quero com isto estabelecer contigo a 3ª guerra mundial LOL atençao, que estou puramente a demosntrar a minha opiniao, que cada vez mais se torna um classico, por quase ninguem concordar com ela, seja em que topico for... :) :gogogo:

margarida duarte

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Estamos a fugir ao projecto:

The Regency seafront of Brighton and Hove has seen nothing like this since the mad oriental domes of the Brighton Pavilion in the early 19th century. Now the Sussex seaside city, always torn between gentility and decadence, is about to get a 21st century equivalent. America's world-famous architect Frank Gehry, responsible for Bilbao's Guggenheim Museum, will on Tuesday unveil the final designs for his first big British project - an exotic �m confection of billowing seaside apartment towers and multi-coloured pleasure dome.

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Gehry has been one of the world's most in-demand architects since his startling titanium-clad design for the Guggenheim made industrial Bilbao into a worldwide tourist destination in 1998. The equally daring 2003 Disney concert hall in his adopted Los Angeles confirmed his global reputation. Canadian-born, he has long wanted to build in the mother country but so far has only a small "Maggie's" cancer-care centre in Dundee, opened in 2004, to show here.

If his Brighton scheme gets the nod from the planners - and deputy Prime Minister John Prescott, if it is called in for government scrutiny - then Brighton and Hove, these days a boom city rather than a fading resort, will have its new architectural icon. Built on the site of what is at present the run-down King Alfred Leisure Centre towards the Hove end of the seafront, it will cover more than four acres.

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A new � sports centre beneath an irregularly domed roof of jagged multi-coloured metal panels, will be surrounded by 754 apartments in two typically unorthodox towers and several lower blocks. There will also be shops and cafes around a sequence of small squares and alleys, which will include artworks by Anthony Gormley, sculptor of the "Angel of the North".

Now 76, Gehry can afford to pick and choose his work around the globe. He designed the tiny Dundee Maggie's Centre for free because he was a friend of its founder, the late Maggie Keswick Jencks. He was approached by Brighton-based developer Josh Arghiros from the Karis/ING consortium, helped by British architect Piers Gough, a friend of Gehry's. Arghiros says: "I think Frank has captured the spirit of this city - that was his intent. We are a multi-culltural, energetic, vibrant and liberal city. We are all about freedom of expression and that is what his architecture has so effectively captured."

Gough, whose own work includes a former house for U.K. media celebrity Janet Street-Porter, acts as Gehry's UK consultant for the project. The scheme has changed radically since Gehry first beat leading British architects Richard Rogers and Wilkinson Eyre in a competition for the site nearly two years ago. Then he proposed four, taller towers but, according to Gough, he was not happy with that. "Frank has shuffled it all around," says Gough. "There's now a carapace of mid-rise buildings around the perimeter. I really think he's paid attention to the context of Brighton. He doesn't just build his first idea. It's the architecture of the pleasure principle, exuberant like the seaside."

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Speaking from Los Angeles, Gehry said that he had never wanted very tall towers, but that he was urged to do so by the Government's architecture watchdog, CABE (Commission for Architecture and the Built Environment). However, he chose to slash the height after winning the competition. "From the beginning, I thought that higher buildings were out of scale with the community," he said. "Then we discovered that there was a price premium on building taller anyway because of ground conditions on the shoreline. So in the end God had the final say, which is comforting." Now the scheme is only 10 per cent more dense than the city's Regency squares and terraces, he says - "so we're in the ballpark."

He had also designed a more subdued colour scheme for the central sports centre but again was urged to be more extreme by the government's advisors, he says. Either way, the explosion of colour is intended to reflect the lively, slightly louche nature of the seaside city.

Gentility gets a look-in, though: he has remained true to the idea of Victorian ladies being blown along the seafront with billowing dresses. "One thing that impresses me is the Victorian character of the town," he says. "I've got this picture of the maidens in their floating dresses in Brighton on the wall of my office. It's a kind of inspiration and the towers now do look as if they relate to that." The towers are each 24 storeys and 250 feet high.

However, he does not see this as a platform to launch himself in Blighty. "I have no yearning desire to invade England," he chuckles. "I think you're well taken care of by Richard (Rogers) Norman (Foster) and the boys." If he does another British project, he says, it might be another Maggie's cancer care centre, a cause he feels strongly about.

Gough has another take on this. "I think Frank would love to build something of a good size in Britain," he says. "He's Canadian, there's a bit of Britain in him. I think that he wants to show the British big boys that it is possible to do a different kind of architecture."

Not everyone is a fan, however. The city's two main conservation groups, the Regency Society and the Brighton Society, both objected to the first, taller, scheme. "I think the whole thing is totally crackpot," says Selma Montford of the Brighton Society. "It's marginally better, but its appearance is absolutely wrong on this site. The council wants it to be a tourist draw like Bilbao, but that's ridiculous. We are absolutely overrun with tourists here already."

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Montford complains that the sports centre will not have all the facilities that the council wanted, and that the mix of luxury apartments and 40 per cent "affordable" homes will cut out people on average incomes. "We do have a severe housing shortage in Brighton, but these schemes do nothing for these people," she says. "Many of them are likely to go to investors".

Duncan McNeill of the Regency Society welcomes Gehry as an architect, but questions the brief. "I'd love to see Gehry build something," he says. "The developers and Gehry have done nobly. But you have to question why the council has so arranged it that you need to build 700 flats to pay for the leisure centre. It's a political issue."

Brighton City council has a policy of paying for new public buildings through the private sector: its acclaimed new Jubilee Library, built as a Private Finance Initiative project, is on this year's Stirling Prize shortlist. But objections to Gehry's project are likely to focus both on its high density and the fact that the city has a financial interest because it owns the site - as it also does the Brighton Marina at the other end of town, where a far taller development of skyscraper apartments is planned by Gehry's rival architects Wilkinson Eyre.

"The more they build on these sites, the more the council benefits," says Montford. "How can they be objective? Just because Frank Gehry is a famous architect doesn't mean that this scheme is appropriate to its site."

Gough, however, denies that Gehry is playing the big-name game. "He's uncomfortable with the idea that because he's famous he can impose solutions. He's passionate about context. At first I was encouraging him to do something even more spectacular. To start with he went along with it, but then he said, 'Don't you think we should do something more modest?' You can tell when he's not happy. He prowls around the room. It's only when he finally resolves the problem that he lights up."

Next month (October 5) Gehry will fly over to run through the project for a final time with CABE - a measure of how the Government's advisors see it as being nationally important. If the project overcomes all its planning hurdles, it could start to be built in 2007 and will take four to five years to complete. What would "Prinny", the Prince Regent, later King George IV, make of it all? Well, he commissioned John Nash to build the deeply eccentric Brighton Pavilion as his summer retreat, thus inventing the seaside holiday as we know it in 1820. He'd probably wonder what all the fuss was about.

Footnote: this was a news story, not a critical appraisal. I'll add one here. This is not vintage Gehry because he has been obliged to work to an over-dense brief. The towers are good, the indicated sports centre element works well between them and in front of them. These elements need more elbow-room, however: the conventional blocks crowd too closely around them.

It is a simple financial diagram, expressed architecturally: if all those apartments have to pay for the city's sports centre, and 40 per cent of them are "affordable" which means not terribly profitable, then you really have to stack 'em up to make the equation work.

Interestingly in my conversation with Gehry he casually mentioned that in his view those perimeter blocks could be a couple of storeys lower.


Fonte: www.hughpearman.com

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Eu do ponto vista estético, acho que todas as obras dele roçam o horror, não ombreiam com os seus pares actuais...é puro devaneio formal, sem relação entre as partes...e acho esta comparação com a pintura ridícula (sem querer ofender, apenas contrapor), a arquitectura será sempre a Arte Outra, não se pauta pela mesmo tipo de apreciação das restantes artes. Agora se o tipo diz que a Arquitectura é escultura com casas de banho...pá...criatividade não vejo nenhuma.

edit: Isto não é inveja, detesto mesmo a arquitectura do gajo.

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